Do not respond to maleposters. See Rule 7. Please read the rules! I don't know what to think about this. The thread had dozens of pictures in this vein.
It's so unsettling to see and to imagine that you might talk with people who consume this "stuff". They call it ryona and it even has a wikipedia page, a fucking wikipedia page! Is this your first experience with one?
You know, guys aren't the only ones into this thing. If I ever decide on a husbando I'll fill in that template.
There are girls into this stuff too and they're just as bad. There are all kinds of terrible fetishes out there. I love seeing them suffer. Anyone else have any good ryona mangas?
Is there a good equivalent for men? I don't wanna have to just read fanfiction and imagine wounds and pained expressions, male pain is meant to be seen, not heard. I've never seen any abuse hentai of men. I honestly don't think they exist. Look for Girls ForM, it's probably the most famous magazine. Among other problems, that means that searching for "yaoi ryona" or "femdom ryona" will still lead you to several circumstances where a doujin's yaoi component or femdom component are completely separate from the components involved in earning the ryona tag.
Another problem is that this means that there's no good, general search term that will remain the same across any hentai resource. Everyone who's interested in "suffering female" knows what tag to plug in, but if you want "suffering male" you're going to have to find new and different sets of tags across different sites. And honestly in most yaoi abuse situations that I've seen not saying I've read enough to say anything definitive, just enough to have an opinion , the typical yaoi creator is very obviously more sexually interested in the powerful man inflicting the abuse, and doesn't consider the suffering male to be anyone's favorite candy.
This one looks waaaay more promising, which is sad in a way but at least kinda helps confirm that there's actual suffering male content there. I got of which are in english. It's fucking disgusting! Don't judge my fetish. I think it's good that c. Sometimes I'm jealous of Japanese girls because I see them share and talk about some really fucked up porn and they seem pretty comfortable with each other.
I'm not even into any big "taboo" fetish my biggest is pet play which is relatively tame , but I just like the freedom of people being allowed to discuss what they like without other people judging them. And I like reading and talking with people about strange sexual preferences even if I'm not into them personally.
Oh honey, the things I can show you The things that I've been religiously collecting just for the sheer purpose of archiving such madness that just so happens to exist, like pic related I need help. One of my better friends from high school is way into male feet, but not in the socially acceptable sort of way.
What she really likes isn't feet themselves, it's foot surgery, especially for severe infections and deformities. Just like I can revert your edit. I don't know if you're the one who has been trying to edit the Double Standard entry into something more complacent for males but trying to make it look less harsh in order not to feel "judged" hints at the fact that you might be a Ryona lover or just wanting to put it under a positive light so to make it less offensive.
You recent edits on Double Standard were far from unbiased as well. Twin Bird : Right. I must be a secret lover of ryona just because I don't want to turn a trope page into a diatribe on how all its fans are wife-beaters in the making. That's the only conceivable reason. Do you see any other page where the bulk of it is accusing fans of being violent criminals in the making? Even Lolicon and Shotacon are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, even though whether or not they commit criminal acts, they are, by definition, pedophiles.
We don't need pages like this. Also, since I'd been the one who'd dropped the ball, I was willing to let it go, but I'm going back and fixing the Double Standard page now. Alrune : You're not the one to decide what is good or not. Especially if you didn't create the page yourself. I agree to make some concessions but my message will remain. Yes I'm being harsh. Ryona viewers are not especially kind to women either, especially when one talks to them.
So I'm gonna edit back to what it was, period. Madrugada : It doesn't matter anymore that you created the page, Alrune. Once you posted it, it stopped being your page and became everybody's page, and that means that anybody can edit it.
Frankly, this wiki is not the place for accusatory socio-psycho analysis of why people like something. It's out of place on this page, just like it's out of place on the Double Standard page.
And if you keep putting it back, other editors will keep taking it out. It's not your soapbox. Alrune : I know that it's not my page. And I'm no longer interested in back-and-forth editing so have it your way.
If you find my words accusatory, then I apologize. I created this page not very long after having a very nasty conversation with a Ryona lover hence I was pissed. But the motivations behind such videos remain what they are.
Not my fault if the genre is so blatantly sexist. You can call me a Straw Feminist all you want, you may see on said Double Standard page that I also added tropes that are sexist against men. Alrune : MercuryinRetrograde : First let me commend you on trying to find an equivalent to Ryona. But sorry baby, Gorn For Girls isn't Ryona 's counterpart and for a very good reason:. Most your examples come from Yaoi Gallery, which by essence features male-on-male scenes. Gorn For Girls would have been said Distaff Counterpart if it featured woman-on-man violence.
It doesn't. Yes most creators are female but what you call Gorn For Girls is a section of Guro which exists for both men and women. Said counterpart might exist, but it's just not this. MercuryinRetrograde : Don't call me baby, m'kay? Creators of Ryona also use female-on-female violence, and you're not making much of the distinction.
The point is that a female or male creator is depicting and enjoying violence done to a male or female character. A lot of the violence in Gorn for Girls doesn't even have an actor, just a male victim. Incidentally, I don't feel judged because I'm not a man nor do I like Ryona. What's irritating me is the overwhelming and hysterical 'men are such baaaaaaastards' in Ryona.
Particularly when it's easy enough to find women who like and create the same damn stuff. Alrune : Baby, you're not a woman. Also, yes there is some Ryona that features female-on-female violence but it's a rather small percentage of the whole thing. Gorn For Girls belongs to Guro , it's a redundancy.
Not making it any less appalling, that is true. About the whole "men are bastards" thing, yes some women take it too far. But it's not a reason for you to try and bias all Double Standard in favor of men just because you don't want people to believe men are bastards.
We don't. We know many of the Unfortunate Implications of Double Standard are shit. This whole argument is an example of how Men Are the Expendable Gender gets perpetuated in society. We don't care about violence against men in part because we see any random man as guilty until proven otherwise. Ryona lasers in on one male dominated portion of a larger fandom—guro—which has male and female fans and then analyzed said male fans' psychology to extrapolate to all men via its last statement about AllMenArePerverts.
Thus it supports the DoubleStandard. Alrune : I have replied to that on the Double Standard discussion. I also have deleted the last line so there are no misinterpretations of what I intended to mean originally.
Have you edited Men Are the Expendable Gender in light of what is discussed here? I thought it was interesting all in all. MercuryinRetrograde : So Ryona needs it's own trope separate from Gorn because it's fans are assholes and everyone needs to know this? Alrune : So Gorn For Girls needs its own trope separate from Gorn because its fans are bitches and everyone needs to know this? Let's not do the whole back and forth thing again, shall we?
It's not interesting. MercuryinRetrograde : Gorn For Girls has been deleted. Alrune : You are free to put what you said in the main Gorn entry.
It belonged there in any case. MercuryinRetrograde : And Ryona doesn't? Except for it being fanwork, what makes it different from Gorn? Alrune : As I already said Gorn is a genre that applies to both men and women. There are Gorn depictions of women mostly and some of them feature men. Still Ryona takes Gorn to eleven. I understand that MANY Gorn works could easily pass off as this but on Ryona , it's explicitly stated so by the viewers and makers. Gorn can sometimes be non-intentional a graphic depiction of an injury which becomes Fetish Fuel through Fan Wank.
Also what mattered in Gorn For Girls , is that the depiction of mutilated men isn't always aimed for one specific audience. Ryona neither, that's true. MercuryinRetrograde : So the main problem with Ryona is that it's fanbase is misogynist aka. You know what? You win. I think this is highly prejudicial and is a trope limited to a very few number of people on the internet.
Which says a lot about it's individual fans but nothing about gender in general. Certainly nothing compared to other more widespread, mainstream tropes and memes.
But there's no way I'm going to spend time trying to find a bunch of women who've created fan films glorifying misandry and violent abuse of men. Although I do know of a film that did it: Baise Moi. And there's always S. But these aren't fanworks. Alrune : Thank you for expressing better than I what I meant. Yes, Ryona fans ARE misogynistic but this doesn't apply to men in general.
And that's all I wanted to say. Now, to answer your last statement, I never scanned the Internet for Ryona , I stumbled on it. As for the film you mentioned, I know it very well because it's one of the few films in recent history - the only one to my knowledge - to be so explicitly misandrist.
I also know the background of it: the realisators are a former porn actress and a Lesbian writer who hired 2 former porn actresses who had become disgusted with porn industry. The taller one was a Broken Bird and committed suicide some time after the film's release, the smaller one is a Psycho Lesbian who hates men especially porn viewers and who was belated to be able to impersonate a complete bitch who abuses and kills men.
As for S. M and its derivatives, I think it's Self Explanatory. Do you want me to rewrite the entry so that it's made clearer that the whole misogyny accusation concerns ONLY Ryona viewers but not men in general? Or do you want to do it yourself? MercuryinRetrograde : What amazes me is that something like Blaise Moi got funding.
I don't think anything that explicitly misogynist, that's entirely about men taking their aggressions out on women by killing them in brutal ways would ever see the light of day in the film industry. There exist people who believe in this crap and style their lives after it. Again, I can't see something so explicitly misogynous getting that sort of fanbase-cut women up, replace them with robots. At least prior to the Internet which means any three people with an ax to grind can look like a movement.
Also, I know one biopic that portrayed Solanis as a sympathetic character. Which is fine because she probably was more unhinged then outright evil, but could you imagine the same latitude granted a misogynist male counterpart-who tried to shoot women? But that's an aside to the point at hand.
I think your suggestion would help, but ultimately what distinguishes Ryona from Gorn is that you don't like the motives of the creators. Nether do I, personally. It's not a separate genre or trope. It'd be sort of like creating another category of Yaoi, called, I dunno, Girls Are Icky , because the fans like Yaoi specifically because they hate girls. It has nothing to do with the actual content of the work and just is a judgment on the creators and fans.
But, then again, there is HetIsEw , so I dunno. Maybe this belongs more in Fandumb then DoubleStandard. Ryonafan : Hey, as you can tell I happen to be a fan of 'Ryona,' here are just a couple of things you guys may have missed:. And just search for 'link ryona' on Youtube to see several videos of Link from The Legend of Zelda link is a male being abused. Alrune : I'm happy that someone concerned took the time to come and discuss but unfortunately, I'm gonna prove you wrong.
I never said Ryona doesn't exist on males, I said it was extremely rare, which is true. The ratio between male and female victims of Ryona is indisputable.
I said female-on-female existed but that it was less common. One more time, you didn't read properly. You don't get me started on that. I have talked to quite a few Ryona aficionados and misogyny IS their main motivation, and they're very nasty about it. Even more so when they found out I was a woman. Ryona IS a misogynistic genre by nature. Actually, it's so blatant that all female gamers I've introduced it to find it disgusting, especially the comments.
Saying that you're not a chauvinist when you specialize in such a hobby sounds more than a tad fishy to me. The justifications I've heard were so lame they were pitiful. Things like "but women enjoy being treated like that" or "anyone who thinks Ryona is sexist knows nothing about the complexity of human fantasy" But I am not going to erase your edit since it's a nice addition to the main article.
Ryonafan : hi alrune, thanks for your response. It currently says,. It can also feature the beatdown or shooting of a specific character in other game types It should be noted that Ryona videos mostly concern classic one-on-one fighting games". Alrune : You're welcome. As for your replies, here goes:. About Ryona on men, you're examples need to be a little bit more relevant if you want to add one. Just because the user wants to call it as such, doesn't mean it is. A Ryona vid is about much gorier violence ie with blood and dismemberment, not about slapstick.
Also the abuse should be done by a woman or another man but not by some non-sexed fantasy critter. Not to mention the examples you've referred to didn't carry any sexual humiliation undertone, except perhaps in the first part of the first one.
You can bring this modification up if you stay truthful about it, meaning if you clearly state that the ratio between male-on-female as opposed to female-on-female is much greater.
Apologies accepted. I talked with about 10 Ryona-lovers and none of them were either nice or not contemptuous. About the names, I can give a few if you really want to but I'd rather do it in PM if you don't mind.
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